Can anyone tell me if "The Whip and the Body" is a good movie?

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I have been wondering for some time if this film were worth purchasing even though I love almost all of Mr. Lee's work. Please, if someone were to give me a few details on what the film is about and if I should add it to my movie collection, it would be most helpful. Thank you in advance!

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David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.



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Kevin Clayton;34495 wrote:
I have been wondering for some time if this film were worth purchasing even though I love almost all of Mr. Lee's work. Please, if someone were to give me a few details on what the film is about and if I should add it to my movie collection, it would be most helpful. Thank you in advance!

Warmest Regards,
David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.

I personally believe that you should acquire this film. He is worthwhile to buy, to have in your collection and to see... and to see...
Me until I already commented on this, but I will repeat that I attended " THE Whip and the Body " in the movies to the 16 years and, ever since I was dreaming in the day in that I could see it again. In the year of 2005 finally I got to have it and it is one of my relics, mainly for being so rare here in Brazil.
DVD that I have is spoken in Italian and with subtitles in English (even so it was worth to have acquired). I read somewhere that this film was censured and that it had many cuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnikP...related&search=

I adore Kurt.


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Thank you so much Isabel Alves! Andrés Verdú was right! There are so many people here that are willing to help! I love CLW! Finally, I found a website dedicated to my favorite actor and where all of Mr. Lee's fans can unite. Again, thank you so much and take care!

Warmest regards,
David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.

P.S. Did you ever see the film "The Creeping Flesh"?



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Creeping Flesh is great. It's what I like about these films. The atmosphere.



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Thank you so much for your help Mr. Lundberg! Thank you so very much! Take care everyone!

Warmest regards,
David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.



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I have just watched the videoclip on youtube about "The whip and the body", it is exciting. I haven`t seen this film yet, but put it on my must-have-list.

Isabel, Kurt seems to be a little bit cruel, doesn`t he?! But he looks great.:biggrin:

In Creeping flesh is also starring Mr. Cushing, or am not right?

Cheers
Conny



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Yes, "The Creeping Flesh" also stars Peter Cushing and I ordered my copy on DVD from amazon. I am still awaiting its arrival. It's region 1 however as a friend of mine owns the Region 2 DVD. It's the "Masters of Horror" edition with commentary by Christopher Lee and more.



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The Whip and the Body is definitely worth having as part of your 'Mr. Lee' collection. The film itself is visually stunning and atmospheric, and Mr. Lee is brilliant in his character portrayal.

The Creeping Flesh is also another excellent film to have....

Cheers,Wink
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Thanks Helen! I can't wait to order my copy of "The Whip and the Body" soon. Does anyone know what copy I should get? I have a certain program for my DVD Player which can play any region so I was wondering which one has the best picture/sound as well as extras. Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
David Clayton.



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Well, Cony... if Kurt is cruel... Do let us say that Kurt is cruel then, but is Kurt real?

Actually I don't admire ANYTHING, ANYTHING those ATTITUDES of Kurt... a sadist, but I adore Kurt (My God! ) and the character (Novenka) she is a beautiful woman also.

I only have a complaint of this film: it has little clarity in the atmospheres, but as I read thereabout, this is a characteristic of Mario Bava.

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Hello everyone,

Great to see you are finally with us, David! Welcome! Welcome! Welcome! Onwards to The Whip and the Body now. This is a very curious film by Mario Bava. Jonathan Rigby describes it as a "fabulously over-ripe Gothic melodrama, the film cast Lee as sadistic aristocrat Kurt Menliff, whose own father tells him that 'You're not my son; you're a serpent.'" (Rigby, Jonathan, Christopher Lee: The Authorised Screen History, (Surrey, England: Reynolds and Hearn Ltd., 2001), p. 95). It is a visual masterpiece, with beautiful use of colour and photography, and with exterior shots clearly inspired by the Roger Corman series of AIP films based on Poe's work. Mr Lee plays Kurt Menliff, a Byronic figure who returns to his ancestral home and starts up a rather weird sadomasochistic relationship with his sister-in-law, referred to in the title. I'm not saying anything else, because I'll give too much away. The one copy I have of this film is in Italian though, and has no subtitles, and my knowledge of Italian is pretty dismal, so I couldn't understand everything that was being said, although I worked out most of what was happening. It is more of a visual film, and so it articulates itself well-enough in this respect. I think this film is definitely worth acquiring, especially as it has one of Mr Lee's most interesting characters. I certainly recommend it!

Finally, just so you can see what Kurt looks like in the film, here are a few screen captures (and if you hunt around the previous threads, I know that there are more screen caps of this film - a good chance for you to try out the "search forums" feature):

Warmest regards,
Andrés


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Kevin Clayton;34499 wrote:
Thank you so much for your help Mr. Lundberg! Thank you so very much! Take care everyone!

Warmest regards,
David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.

No problem Mr Clayton.



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We always induced somebody to buy this film hihihi... but understands each other that is for the good.

Seeking more on The Whip and The Body, I saw that this already left 6 pages. See comments of Vicky. We almost went mad her, but later she saw that we were right.

To proceed for the end of the page.
http://christopherleeweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32685&page=5

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Thanks again to everyone who provided their opinions and information on "The Whip and the Body"! And a special thank you to Andrés Verdú, Isabel Alves, Joakim Lundberg, and Helen Dyer for replying to my post! Take care everyone!

Warmest regards,
David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.



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You're most welcome, David! It's good to have someone around asking questions and keeping all of us "on our toes", so to speak. Not wishing to digress too much from the subject in hand, but this reminds me of the trivia thread we used to run a while ago where people would ask questions on just about anything to do with Mr Lee and we'd all try to come up with the answer. The person who got in with the right answer first would then set the next question (unless they passed their turn onto someone else) and so on and so forth. I really enjoyed that trivia challenge, not least because I discovered a lot of new things about Mr Lee which I didn't previously know. It was a fun way to learn! I wonder whether or not it would be a good idea to try to revive that thread... food for thought!

Anyway, as I said, I don't want to move away too much from this topic, so I'll end by wishing you the best of luck in getting hold of the film. It shouldn't prove too difficult to find, as I seem to recall reading on another thread that it had been released onto DVD recently. Well, take care everyone:

Warmest regards,

Andrés



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Oh, if only I were here to be a part of the trivia thread! But perhaps we all could revive it and I would have the chance to play as well as other new members of CLW! That would be a great idea Andrés! Really, it would most certaintly be! I look forward to recieving my copy of "The Whip and the Body" as well as "The Creeping Flesh". Thank you all again and take care!

Warmest regards,
David Clayton a.k.a. Kevin.



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Hi everybody,

a few days ago I met a friend, who is a great fan of the films from Mario Bava. As I asked about the whip and the body, he told me he has this film in his collection. We will watch it together soon, I am very curious...

David, do you have now received the films?

Cheers
Conny



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That good Conny that you have this possibility to see this film.

You will love Kurt. You friend has Whip and The Body in English, German... ?

I ask: Did you already watch the film Night Of the Big Heat? I have a lot of curiosity on this film.

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Conny, I have recieved "The Creeping Flesh" which was great, but not "The Whip and the Body". I'm really looking forward to seeing this film especially. Once you watch it, tell me what you think okay? Thanks in advance and take care!

Conny Nierobisch;34724 wrote:
Hi everybody,

a few days ago I met a friend, who is a great fan of the films from Mario Bava. As I asked about the whip and the body, he told me he has this film in his collection. We will watch it together soon, I am very curious...

David, do you have now received the films?

Cheers
Conny



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Isabel Alves;34727 wrote:
That good Conny that you have this possibility to see this film.

You will love Kurt. You friend has Whip and The Body in English, German... ?

I ask: Did you already watch the film Night Of the Big Heat? I have a lot of curiosity on this film.

Isabel, I have seen "Night Of The Big Heat". I won't give you the whole story of the movie as this would spoil everything. The film starts off really well as a group of of people, including a scientist played by Mr. Lee, are at a Met station during the winter. However, the temperature is going over 100 and no one has any idea what is going on. But the scientist, who has been studying the change in temperature as well as other very strange events, believes that aliens are here to destroy them all. Along with Dr. Vernon Stone, played by Peter Cushing, and Jeff Callum, played by Patrick Allen, they go off and try to stop the aliens before it is too late. In the movie, you get to see different people's lives, including author Jeff Callum, who is married but is having a secret affair with his secretary, played by Jane Merrow, and how the situation affects there lives. The plot is actually pretty good. The acting is believable, especially by none other than Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing as well as Patrick Allen. The only downfall is the ending. Even Mr. Lee has said so in his autobiography. But other than that, it is another great film by Mr. Lee. If you want any more information, visit www.imdb.com or ask Andres for more information. He can explain the plot better I think and give his view on the film. Well, take care Isabel! Hope I was of some help to you.



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Thank you, David. These words already give me a better idea of than is the film in subject.

We already have extra points in this film: Mr. Lee & Mr. Cushing.

I still hope to acquire this film, but I am a little apprehensive of mattering in the moment, because I had there is little a film that I bought of Amazon, kept in the customs... I will give a time to this (my fear is to be without the films that I still want to have in my collection - preferably those where the Mr. Lee has larger participation).

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Isabel Alves;34727 wrote:
That good Conny that you have this possibility to see this film.

You will love Kurt. You friend has Whip and The Body in English, German... ?

I ask: Did you already watch the film Night Of the Big Heat? I have a lot of curiosity on this film.

Isabel, I think my friend has a german version, maybe a double version also in english, I am not sure.
Night of the big heat and the creeping flesh I have not seen until yet too.

David, thanks for your synopsis on big heat.

Bye
Conny



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Kevin Clayton;34785 wrote:
If you want any more information, visit www.imdb.com or ask Andres for more information. He can explain the plot better I think and give his view on the film.

Hello everyone,

Not at all, David! You described Night of the Big Heat very well indeed. What I can offer is a few screen captures from the film itself, just so that those who are curious about it can have some idea of what it might be like:

Well, there you go! Take care everyone:

Warmest regards,

Andrés



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Andres, Thank You for the Screen shots, and Thanks to David for the description...This is a movie I haven't seen yet.....May need to see if I can find it!

Hmmmmmmm...I don't see a Tweed Jacket.......:hmmmm2:

Cheers,Wink
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You're most welcome, Helen! This film is well worth watching, and I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone. The ending is a bit disappointing, but otherwise a very intelligent and well-made film. As for tweed jackets... Well, curiously enough, in the film Hanson (Mr Lee's character) would've probably fainted from the heat; for the actual shoot, I seem to recall it was rather cold weather, so I'm sure that a warm jacket would've been only too welcome! Mr Cushing definitely had the right idea keeping his on!

Warmest regards,

Andrés



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Right you are Andres! During shooting of "The Night Of The Big Heat", the weather was quite cold. Thanks for your complements everyone! I always try my best to help out as much as I can. I have seen this film on TV here in the U.S. but titled as "Island Of The Burning Doomed". When released in the U.S. in theaters, it was called "The Island Of The Burning Damned". Boy, was that a while ago!

Andrés Verdú;34806 wrote:
You're most welcome, Helen! This film is well worth watching, and I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone. The ending is a bit disappointing, but otherwise a very intelligent and well-made film. As for tweed jackets... Well, curiously enough, in the film Hanson (Mr Lee's character) would've probably fainted from the heat; for the actual shoot, I seem to recall it was rather cold weather, so I'm sure that a warm jacket would've been only too welcome! Mr Cushing definitely had the right idea keeping his on!

Warmest regards,

Andrés



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Very good! They are wonderful pictures that you bring of the film, Andrés!

Do I have a curiosity (am I still "slowly" in the internet and nor does my computer have resources for some things), but are these pictures that you post extracted of your DVD? Or are they of some address of the internet?

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Isabel Alves;34814 wrote:
Very good! They are wonderful pictures that you bring of the film, Andrés!

Do I have a curiosity (am I still "slowly" in the internet and nor does my computer have resources for some things), but are these pictures that you post extracted of your DVD? Or are they of some address of the internet?

Hello everyone,

The answer to your question Isabel is both. I uploaded the screen captures to an online image hosting website which I then linked to this thread. The reason for this is that my thumbnail quota is almost full, and I don't really want to delete any of the previous pictures I have put up, because all of them relate to whatever I posted at the time and should, if possible, be kept in the posts for posterity. Therefore I have found this method as one way of side-stepping that problem. Unfortunately, the previous website I was using to do the same job isn't working anymore and some of the images I put up on previous threads have now vanished from them (I think the one of Mr Lee in "The Interrogators", and possibly a couple of other ones). Anyway, I hope you will seek out this film, because it is a good one. Take care:

Warmest regards,

Andrés



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Hi Everyone, So here is another 'Can you tell me'....

I have been looking at the (1959) Treasure of San Teresa, it is difficult to find many reviews on it...The most I have gotten is that it is 'Treasure of the Sierra Madre' esque ( which I do like; and I like HB).....Has anyone seen this?

I am considering it, mainly because it is one of Mr. Lee's 'earlier' films...

Thank You for your help.

Cheers,Wink
Helen

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Peter: Have you tried fixing the air conditioner in here??

[CENTER]

Mr Lee: I have been trying for 2 hours it doesn't work. You have to buy a new one.

I'm just joking around. Please forgive me.[/CENTER]



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Hahahaha Joakim!! :rofl: That was funny! I forgive you, but I don't know about the aliens from the film... :afraid: Take care:

Warmest regards,

Andrés Laughing out loud

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