Predictions

[Robert Longworth]

I had an idea that I thought might be fun. In a few months Episode 3 will start filming, and soon spoilers will be flying. So before that happens we should post our predictions. That way when Episode 3 comes out we'll see who got the most predictions right. We should list ten things that we think will happen in the movie. Here's my predictions.

1. Dooku will be killed by Anakin.
2. Palpatine and Sidious are the same person.
3. Anakin will kill Mace Windu.
4. Jar Jar will not die in Ep.3.
5. Qui Gon Jinn will reveal to Yoda that Palpatine is Darth Sidious.
6. R2 and 3P0 will have their minds ereased at the end of the movie.
7. Amidala will go into hidding on Alderaan.
8. Nute Gunray will die in Ep.3.
9. The Jedi Temple will be destroyed.
10. Obi Wan will take Luke to Tatooine and Yoda will escort Leai and Padme to Alderaan.

[Jurious]

Okiday, let's review your ideas first :) :

1. Dooku will be killed by Anakin.

Yeah, that's my guess, too - though we never know! I'm pondering whether Sidious will turn on Dooku, and then unleash Anakin onto him...

2. Palpatine and Sidious are the same person.

I think that's pretty certain. We only need to be shown the evidence now.

3. Anakin will kill Mace Windu.

Unsure about that... though, unlike some speculation, I doubt it'll be Boba Fett who kills him, either. Anakin would seem like a prime candidate... unless Dooku takes him out? That would be interesting...

4. Jar Jar will not die in Ep.3.

Nah, course he won't! He may just retreat to Naboo, or either trot off to Alderaan.

5. Qui Gon Jinn will reveal to Yoda that Palpatine is Darth Sidious.

I don't agree with that. Sidious may reveal himself in time, when he becomes Emperor. I can see Yoda has slight suspicions of Palpatine anyway, but why Qui-Gon revealing this fact to him? He never knew before his death, unless he's decided to monitor the Chancellor in his afterlife. :P

6. R2 and 3P0 will have their minds ereased at the end of the movie.

I believe Lucas has already stated this, so that's pretty much certain.

7. Amidala will go into hidding on Alderaan.

Yeah, I think that's pretty solid too.

8. Nute Gunray will die in Ep.3.

No!!! LOL :P
You know, I really like the character of Nute Gunray... always have. He may die... or could just run away with his tail between his legs, so to speak - cowardice is a Neimoidian trait.

9. The Jedi Temple will be destroyed.

Most probably - be great if the Imperial Palace was built over it, too! :1devil: Mwa ha ha...

10. Obi Wan will take Luke to Tatooine and Yoda will escort Leai and Padme to Alderaan.

I agree with Obi-Wan escorting Luke to Tatooine - I'm not sure Yoda will escort Padme and Leia to Naboo. I think Obi could probably drop them off on Alderaan, or leave them to travel there with Bail Organa. Kenobi may end up leaving Yoda on Dagobah himself, before then going to Tatooine with Luke, whilst Organa takes Amidala and Leia back to Alderaan.

Nice ones, Rob. :) I think we can also safely speculate that the helmet will go on Vader toward the end, after a climatic duel with Kenobi has ensued!

I'd rather not hear any spoilers of the next two years, though - surprise is always an asset to have when first viwing a Star Wars movie.

[Robert Longworth]

Okiday, let's review your ideas first :) :

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5. Qui Gon Jinn will reveal to Yoda that Palpatine is Darth Sidious.

I don't agree with that. Sidious may reveal himself in time, when he becomes Emperor. I can see Yoda has slight suspicions of Palpatine anyway, but why Qui-Gon revealing this fact to him? He never knew before his death, unless he's decided to monitor the Chancellor in his afterlife. :P

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Thanks for your remarks Jurious. The reason I believe Qui Gon Jinn will do this is because of what George Lucas said in the Ep.2 commentary. He said that when Yoda hears Qui Gon shout "Anakin No!" that's the first time any deceased Jedi has been heard and that, that will be explored more in the 3rd movie. This is the explanation to Obi Wan's "I'll become more powerful then you can possibly imagine" the ability to talk to jedi after passing on. So if Yoda makes contact in the third movie with Qui Gon what will it be about (and it's obvious it'll be Yoda who does this because he's the one figuring out how to do this cool trick)? Qui Gon is obviously observing what Anakin was doing by trying to stop him in Ep.2 so he must be watching over the events of the senate and where all this trouble is coming from. Sidious can blind the Jedi from all these events using the dark side but he can't stop Qui Gon from watching him control the senate as well as controling the sepratists. I think it's also why George Lucas made sure Yoda said that they were blind to the events like the creation of the clones. So in the way that Qui Gon tried to warn Anakin he'll try and warn Yoda to the events unfolding.

I'm guessing that after Qui Gon reveals this to Yoda, the Jedi will attempt to knock ol' Palpatine out of power. But Palpatine will turn the Clones against the Jedi. Wiping out a good number of them. And the jedi getting through will go up against Anakin. Those are my theories anyways. 2005 can't come quick enough for me.:)

[Jurious]

I'm guessing that after Qui Gon reveals this to Yoda, the Jedi will attempt to knock ol' Palpatine out of power. But Palpatine will turn the Clones against the Jedi. Wiping out a good number of them. And the jedi getting through will go up against Anakin. Those are my theories anyways. 2005 can't come quick enough for me.:)

You might be onto something there... there must be some reason for Palpatine being able to make the Jedi the bad guys in the eyes of the Republic, hence giving him the chance to call a 'jihad' upon them, and send his troops - and of course, Vader - to 'Wipe them out!'.

I'm not sure whether it will be Qui-Gon to tell Yoda about the true identity of the Sith Master - if the diminutive Jedi finds it out at all before Sidious is revealed through some way. I still think Palpatine may just reveal himself (and Dooku can taunt Kenobi with 'I told you so!' :P) to the Republic in some way. It's in George's hands, and I have faith in that. :)

I find it interesting that Yoda seems to dismiss Dooku's claim that Sidious controls the Senate at the end of the Clones film, though... if he isn't convinced by this information when Kenobi tells it to him, relayed from Dooku, then will he be any more certain of hearing similar information from the deceased Qui-Gon Jinn, even if the culprit - i.e., Sidious - is more specific - i.e., Palpatine?

Now, did that make sense at all...?

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I find it interesting that Yoda seems to dismiss Dooku's claim that Sidious controls the Senate at the end of the Clones film, though... if he isn't convinced by this information when Kenobi tells it to him, relayed from Dooku, then will he be any more certain of hearing similar information from the deceased Qui-Gon Jinn, even if the culprit - i.e., Sidious - is more specific - i.e., Palpatine?

My memory's bad... I don't recall Kenobi relaying the information to Yoda; I remember him thinking Dooku was lying to gain his allegiance.

[Stacie Herman-Laurence]

My memory's bad... I don't recall Kenobi relaying the information to Yoda; I remember him thinking Dooku was lying to gain his allegiance.

Obi Wan was talking at the end of the film to Mace Windu about the senate being controlled by the Sith but I dont' think Yoda was involved either...or are we to just assume that since Mace knows it that Yoda will be told as well. It's not the sort of information that a Jedi Council member would exclude the others from knowing as well.

[Stacie Herman-Laurence]

I have been thinking about the Padme connection to Anakin's downfall in the third film.

What if Padme is killed in the third film? Think about it, sure Anakin has this big fight with Obi Wan, but why? Perhaps Obi, in Anakin's view, messes up and Padme is killed because of it...That would serve to push Anakin so badly that it would make him totally lose it and go ballistic on Obi Wan.

I mean, maybe all three of them are involved in another battle scenario and Obi doesn't protect her back as well as Anakin thinks he should have. In AOTC Anakin swears that he will never allow someone he loves to die again (that scene at his mother's grave and in the hovel "I will even learn to stop people from dying.") When he fails Padme in that way, he turns.

I don't know..just a thought.

[Robert Longworth]

I have been thinking about the Padme connection to Anakin's downfall in the third film.  

What if Padme is killed in the third film?  Think about it, sure Anakin has this big fight with Obi Wan, but why?  Perhaps Obi, in Anakin's view, messes up and Padme is killed because of it...That would serve to push Anakin so badly that it would make him totally lose it and go ballistic on Obi Wan.

I mean, maybe all three of them are involved in another battle scenario and Obi doesn't protect her back as well as Anakin thinks he should have.  In AOTC Anakin swears that he will never allow someone he loves to die again (that scene at his mother's grave and in the hovel "I will even learn to stop people from dying.")  When he fails Padme in that way, he turns.  

I don't know..just a thought.

The thing is Leia in ROTJ mentions that her mother was sad but very brave. So obviously she must have hung around her mother for a little while to obtain those images. So I don't know if Padme will die in the next movie. But you might be on to something in a roundabout way. Something could happen to Padme that drives Anakin further since one of the problems he has is attachment.

[39steps]

Obi Wan was talking at the end of the film to Mace Windu about the senate being controlled by the Sith but I dont' think Yoda was involved either...or are we to just assume that since Mace knows it that Yoda will be told as well.  It's not the sort of information that a Jedi Council member would exclude the others from knowing as well.

Yeah, I thought Yoda wasn't told directly (and I doubt he'd have believed it quickly if he had been). This seemed like the sort of information that spreads reluctantly rather than quickly; simply because everyone initially assumed it was a lie from a guy who'd unexpectedly betrayed them. That's not the sort of thing they're going to believe right away just because Obi-Wan heard it off some guy who tied him up and used the info to convince him the dark side was A-OK. And that's even assuming that the Council hasn't already got a history of major denial and collective heads-up-arses. :)

[39steps]

What if Padme is killed in the third film?  Think about it, sure Anakin has this big fight with Obi Wan, but why?  Perhaps Obi, in Anakin's view, messes up and Padme is killed because of it...That would serve to push Anakin so badly that it would make him totally lose it and go ballistic on Obi Wan.

Well, aside from Leia's quote which refers to a time after they've gone into hiding (cuz, heck, the chick she thinks is her mother may not be), Padme still needs to have two kids, at least one of which Vader doesn't know about because they were hidden at birth after he'd already turned into Vader... that aside, I think your argument for the foreshadowing there's pretty good.

It really won't take much to turn him, he's already a both an ungrateful, socially inept brat and a genocidal loony with no redeeming personal charm. I personally think Anakin turns when he realizes what a tedious character he is. The only thing I haven't figured out is how he becomes so much better a human being as Darth Vader than he is as Anakin... all self-controlled and thoughtful and throat-crushy. :vader1:

Sorry but you lost me at the start of the thread, I just go there to enjoy the movie.:P





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[Jurious]

Whoops... seem I didn't make a very good point of the Yoda thingy. :P

I just meant that Yoda seems to totally dismiss what Kenobi says Dooku told him:

Kenobi: (to Mace Windu) Do you believe what Count Dooku said, about Sidious controlling the senate? It doesn't feel right...

Yoda: (from off-screen at first) Joined the Dark side, Dooku has. Hmm... lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now...

It just surprised me that Yoda doesn't seem to have any suspicions about Dooku's claim - he doesn't sem to think it is at all true. I know Dooku is now against the Republic, but Yoda's line inferred to me there that he completely dismisses the chances of a Sith controlling, or otherwise influencing, the Senate.

I just wondered if Yoda would then go on to believe a similar claim relayed to him by a dead man (Qui-Gon), through his spirit. Rob suggested that Qui-Gon could reveal Palpatine's Sith-hood to him. Perhaps he would more likely believe a reckless Jedi's words (even a dead one :P) over those of his old Padawan... I just wondered.

He doesn't really have any reason to believe that Dooku was lying about this yet, though. They haven't linked him to the Sith, and Mr.Lee plays Dooku so ambiguously, that even I'm not sure what his true agenda is! :D

Don't get me wrong I loved the movie, but I can't see the people other then as they are on set.





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[39steps]

It just surprised me that Yoda doesn't seem to have any suspicions about Dooku's claim - he doesn't sem to think it is at all true. I know Dooku is now against the Republic, but Yoda's line inferred to me there that he completely dismisses the chances of a Sith controlling, or otherwise influencing, the Senate.

Oh, I interpret that line very differently! I don't think he's making any judgment at all on the claims, just on the person. They all had a great deal of faith in Dooku because he was a former Jedi, and Kenobi comes back with proof that Dooku has joined the dark side, so Yoda's still coming to terms with the guy's character. All he's saying about the statement is it comes from an untrustworthy source, not that it isn't true.

[b]He doesn't really have any reason to believe that Dooku was lying about this yet, though. They haven't linked him to the Sith, and Mr.Lee plays Dooku so ambiguously, that even I'm not sure what his true agenda is! :D

He does have reason to believe Dooku was lying - Dooku had tied up a Jedi and made the statement while trying to manipulate this Jedi into helping him to help the dark side. (And they have linked him to the Sith informally, or Yoda wouldn't be saying he'd joined the dark side... looks like a combination of killing large numbers of Jedi, force lightning, plus hanging with the Trade Federation reps Kenobi saw, who were linked to the previous dealings of the Sith in TPM.) :)

That said, he is played rather ambiguously, I agree, and it is possible that a third agenda will come to light. I hope that's the case, as it would add a lot of depth to Lucas's story arc. Without that, there's really no reason for the character to exist, when you think about it - why not just let Darth Maul survive TPM and return to fight again, and why make a big deal out of his having been a former Jedi, when Anakin's already got the role of being the betrayer? I think it could well become an interesting statement on either:[list][*]the one who betrays his old allegiances will one day betray his new allegiances, foreshadowing Anakin's reversion (I don't find this option super-interesting, for the reasons above, but Lucas seems to like mirroring themes between the two trilogies)[*]Dooku joins the Sith with the intention of betraying them once the Senate's corruption is brought to light and his own ends are met, representing the third way between the light and dark sides, or[*]he joins the Sith after their presence is revealed in TPM so that the Jedi will have an inside man, knowing that the Dark Side will corrupt and eventually destroy him; more of a self-sacrifice motif[list]

Hi Rob so you like Arnold J Rimmer, he was great in that i loved that series "Red Dwarf"



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