Count Dooku versus Spiderman

[David Vasser]

The real battle is not Count Dooku versus Obi Wan or even Count Dooku versus Yoda. The battle to watch is Count Dooku versus Spiderman! It is a battle for cinematic history!

Spiderman opened up at #1 at the box office while grossing an estimated $114,000,000. It shattered all records including the highest opening day, highest weekend, highest single day and fastest to $100 million.

Let us hope Spidy enjoys his one week reign as all time champ. I have a good feeling about this, a feeling that all these records are all going to be broken again beginning May 16th!

While Spiderman is certainly a fabulous not-to-be-missed movie, it just doesn't have the long standing fanbase of STAR WARS. It also doesn't have Mr. Lee or Mr. Jackson. ATTACK OF THE CLONES certainly is poised to break all these records!

The only way AOTC could fail would be if the "true fans" put off seeing it due to not wishing to battle the opening day and opening weekend crowds that have been much maligned on the discussion boards here. In my opinion no true STAR WARS fan or Mr. Lee fan should dream of putting off seeing it! We simply must be there opening day no ifs, ands or buts! And in fact the "true fan" will definately be returning at least once more over opening weekend for another taste of what at this point appears to be the best STAR WARS film ever!

[Dave Hutchens]

Well, dunno about you, but I've had my opening day tickets for about a week now, and I'll be there AT LEAST six hours in advance to get my perfect middle-of-the-auditorium seats!!

Opening day--it's a sacred tradition!



Dave:1roll:

[Frederick Bergstrom]

Spederman will be the next big franchise like Superman and Batman. But the Star Wars franchise cant be compared. I will say im not the hugest of star war fans but besides he fact Mr. Lee is in it, this movie looks like its gonna rock its real dark and looks like more action and the charactors look cooler. It should at least please people unhappy with EP 1

[Skorpionn]

There is no comparison of these two movies. Spiderman is geared towards sex-driven teenagers, while Star Wars has more to offer than some excuse for yet more T&A on the big screen. I'm continually disappointed with the promises of the film industry to "entertain" us, when in reality they're insulting our intelligence. I did happen to see two movies this weekend - one being Star Wars, and the other was Insomnia - I'll not be partaking in Star Wars.

[Brandi]

... and if it's legal in the US.

There is no comparison of these two movies.  Spiderman is geared towards sex-driven teenagers, while Star Wars has more to offer than some excuse for yet more T&A on the big screen.

There was actually more gratiuitous skimpy costuming in SW Ep II than Spiderman (yes, I have actually seen both), and Spiderman is most definitely *not* geared towards sex-driven teens when there's only one really intense kiss in the whole film.

I will agree that the two movies have no comparison, though-- Spiderman was far superior in terms of acting, writing, and the ability to draw me into its storyline. Sorry guys. But Lee *was* fun to watch, and no lie!

[David Vasser]

"SPIDERMAN" is whipping COUNT DOOKU and his "AOTC" gang like a 5 dollar mule. So, I was wrong.

According to BOXOFFICE.COM here are the Memorial Day weekend results. "AOTC" grossed 60 million dollars, a new record for Memorial Day box office for any film over that four day weekend, but that is the only good news. "AOTC" total take so far is 201.3 million. It took 12 days to pass the 200 million mark. "SPIDER-MAN" did it in only 9 days.

More distressing to me, AOTC is off the pace established by "THE PHANTOM MENACE" which by this point in it's life had collected 5.8 million dollars more. This may be due to there being several fabulous movies out right now, or maybe not. Overall theatre box office is up 22 percent over last year and this past holiday weekend was the biggest weekend in box-office history with a take of 205 million dollars. It might be due to the fact that the rash of bad reviews hurt opening weekend enough to take some of the wind out of George Lucas's solar sails.

"AOTC" is showing on 3,161 screens, "SPIDER-MAN" on 3,876 screens which is a NEW RECORD for total screens. Make of that what you will. (Lucas had a very demanding criteria for what equipment was required in theatres showing his film. "SPIDER-MAN had no such special requirements.)

There is another possible explanation for waning interest in Star Wars. The audience is losing interest or frankly dying off of old age. It has taken twenty-five years to get to this point in "The Saga". That may be stretching the series out too long and won't even be complete until at least two more years time. Honestly, I have grown from youthful innocence to middle age while "The Saga" has progressed up to this point. That is a long time to stretch out a six film series. Since the 1977 release of "A NEW HOPE" there have been ELEVEN, that's right eleven, James Bond Films. By the time "The Saga" is complete there will have actually been at least twelve Bond films and perhaps as many as thirteen. That is a two Bonds to one Star Wars ratio. Are Star Wars films TWICE as hard to make?

For whatever reasons, my prediction when I started this thread did not come to pass opening weekend. I was wrong about that, and very wrong indeed. Also it appears that any hope of "AOTC" total box-office surpassing that of "SPIDER-MAN" is in serious doubt at this point. However, I still feel "AOTC" is a better movie than Phantom Menace. There is still hope, but dim hope and certainly not a new hope.

[Skorpionn]

There's no need to insult someone one who doesn't agree with you, that

[David Vasser]

Insult? That really was not an insult. That is just a figure of speech where I come from. Around here we never take "What have you been smoking and is it legal because I want some?" as an insult. It is an often used way of saying that I do not understand how you came up with that idea. It is by no stretch an insult.

On the other hand, if someone had said, "Your mama is so fat that when she backs up she goes "beep-beep-beep"," or if someone had called you a "hot headed California Raisin Brain" (which I'm not-I'm just using these as examples), now that would definately be an insult and worthy of becoming indignant. Do you see the difference?

We are one big happy family here, even when we agree to disagree. Let's not lose sight of our common ground because we all appreciate Mr. Lee, or we wouldn't be here.

I started this thread just to make a prediction about the impending box-office success of AOTC compared to the other Summer blockbuster "SPIDER-MAN". (AOTC is making lots of money but I overestimated the rapidity at which AOTC would reach major financial milestones.) This thread was not intended to debate the various artistic merits of each film, but rather to discuss the relative financial success of two films with historic financial potential both in release at the same time.

This chain of events reminds me of an amusing expression a friend of mine always invokes whenever a brawl erupts among the normally gentlemanly players during a baseball game. "I went to a baseball game and a hockey game broke out."

We all have valid opinions, but different points of view.

[Alfonso Casal]

Jeeze, people have been getting a little touchy on these forums of late! Some are even stating their opinions about movies with a vehemence and finality that a 15th century Inquisitor would envy. Chill out, people, it's just a movie. This isn't theology. It's make-believe. . . and it's supposed to be fun. Besides, always bear in mind that one person's fascination is another person's boredom -- and vice versa.

I think I'll end with one of my favorite closings (appropriately enough.)

That's my opinion, no better or worse than anyone else's.

[Frederick Bergstrom]

Spiderman really had a valid story line outside of the action scenes and i wouldnt say was geared to a sex drived youth market in any way.In fact in my opinion the love story was played out better than in star wars...As far as the loss in interest in star wars..I have said since day one when the prequels were announced in no way can the first series be duplicated. With out the charactors we fell in love with as kids and enjoyed in the first 3 movies. Lucas has to basiclly invent new charactors and story lines . Star Wars was a one of a kind situation. You can call a movie whatever you want but without Luke, Darth, han, chewey& the millenium Falcon its just a different film no matter how hard he tries he will never be able to duplicate the feelings we got from those old friends. I also feel no matter what George Lucas does in Star Wars he will never make every one happy. The star Wars camp is so fanatic to the films its impossible to please everyone who have so much emotion on how they want the film to be ..Im just happy Christopher is in another major film being seen by millions..and Dooku is another feather in his cap

[Skorpionn]

I fully agree that everyone can agree to disagree, but throwing around, what I consider insults, isn't following that line of thinking. I added the finality so THIS wouldn't happen. Why is it the very mention of sex when voicing an opinion creates such...weirdness? I'm here to appreciate Mr. Lee and his contribution to my life as a lover of horror movies - nothing more.

[Brandi]

I should've known that leaving a smiley off a mocking comment would come back and bite me in the butt.

Hey, if you prefer Ep II to Spiderman, that's fine by me, but I was admittedly puzzled because I just didn't see what you seemed to see in the two films.

Oh, and Ep II wasn't BY Lee, it just HAS him. I thought his performance was good given what he had to work with, but it was not as good a movie. It was, however, far from the worst (or if you prefer, most unfortunate) movie I have ever seen Christopher Lee in. *koff**hack*Howling II*koffkoff*

[Susan Pitcher]

There is another possible explanation for waning interest in Star Wars.  The audience is losing interest or frankly dying off of old age.  It has taken twenty-five years to get to this point . . . .Are Star Wars films TWICE as hard to make?

Are we getting. . . .old ? I know we don't hear much about Star Wars fan as old or older than Mr. Lee, but I'm sure they're legion. If you see somebody coming at you with their walker raised in the air, duck :D !!!

The Bond movies don't depend so much on CGI as killer stunts on location, but both series go for the excitement factor. Who knows what will happen when we're all gone, but Bond and Star Wars will probably stay popular along with Star Trek and Dick Clark. . . .(I know somebody will say something about that one).

[SithLord]

You make a valid point Kay....I believe what you are saying is Dick Clark is a digital character....hmmm, does explain alot.

[Frederick Bergstrom]

Dick Clark actually has a painting locked away in his attic that ages well he doesnt...wait thats Dorion Grey, never mind